Kristen

Welcome to the Close the Chapter podcast. I am Kristen Boice a licenced Marriage and Family Therapist with a private practice pathways to healing counselling. Through conversations, education, strategies and shared stories. We will be closing the chapter on all the thoughts, feelings, people and circumstances that don't serve you anymore. And open that door to possibilities

Kristen

and the real you. You won't want to miss an episode, so be sure to subscribe. Welcome to this week's close the chapter podcast I am so grateful that you are joining us today for this important conversation that we talk about often. But I like this angle we're going today when we're talking about self care, and self expertise, that word expertise of yourself. And I'm a firm believer in knowing yourself understanding who you are, why you are the way you are getting curious about it, deconstructing it. So I'm really excited for my guest today. Welcome Taylor to the podcast.

Taylor

Thank you so so much for having me.

Kristen

Yes, I want to read your bio, because it's very impressive. Taylor Elise, that's my daughter's middle name, by the way is spelled exactly the same, which I love. Morrison is a founder, facilitator coach, and serial entrepreneur making well being and personal development more accessible through her company in her workout in her book of the same name. Taylor supports people's journey to know, care for and become their full selves. So I'm so glad you're here. I love your book title in our workout. Tell me how you came up with the name.

Taylor

It really came the idea came to me on a yoga mat. So in a workout is also the name of my company is now the name of my book. And I don't know if you ever have it, where you go to yoga, and you're like sitting there, you're a little bit early. That's where some of my best ideas happen. So I was sitting there kind of trying to get centred. And I felt this idea popped into my head that was like, what if we could help people build the skill of self care, because a big part of my journey is a lot of overachieving a lot of perfectionism and I feel like I learned how to kind of, quote unquote, play the game. But in my adulthood, I had to learn how to take care of myself. And I wanted to create a company and to create resources that help people develop self care as a skill, because I wish I would have had more of that in my life.

Kristen

How do you help people work through like the guilt of taking care of themselves and the narrative of oh, I need to be putting my family first I need to be working, I need to be doing all these things. How do you help people work through that guilt, and maybe some shame of not feeling worth it or good enough?

Taylor

Absolutely. And this is something I see both with people I work with, but also in my own life, feeling like I need to earn care. So I'll start by sharing the definition that we use it of self care and our workout, which is that self care is listening with and, and responding in the most loving way possible. So I really think of self care as a conversation that I'm having with myself rather than a list of actions to do. And that shift can actually help me overcome some of the guilt instead of like, thinking about it as taking time away from something else or other people that I'm supposed to be there for. It's Oh, I'm caring for myself by staying in conversation with myself and giving myself what I need throughout the day rather than making it this other thing. But to come back to your question around the guilt, I have a question I encourage people to ask, is to ask, is it the self? Or is it the system? And this question can come in a lot of areas. But when we're thinking about guilt and shame, we can ask, okay, what part of this is coming from me what part of this is pressure expectations, narratives that I have placed on myself that I can work through, and what part of this is the system that we live in? That tells us for example, that women should be there for everyone else, and put their needs to the bottom? And I find that in acknowledging some of the realities of the systems that can make us feel guilt, it actually lessen some of the guilt and pressure that we put on ourselves to realise Oh, yeah, I am thinking this way. But I've also explicitly or implicitly, for a good portion of my life, been told that I should feel guilty for taking care of myself and acknowledging that, for me, at least, and I've seen it with other people too. It allows you to take some of the power back and be like, Oh, I don't necessarily want to feel guilty. For this, I've been told to feel guilty for it. But that's not guilt that I want to hold for myself.

Kristen

Yes, I love that question. Is it yourself? Or is it the self or the system? And I feel like majority of the time it's coming from a system message. Do you find that?

Taylor

Yeah, so often. And even when I trace things back, sometimes it'll be like, Oh, it seems like that's me. But then I'll ask a follow up question and be like, Oh, well, when I was younger, the kids who were at school who were cool acted like this. And so this is my response to that system that I grew up in. And it's not to say that there aren't things that are just totally intrinsic. But a lot of times, it's a mix of a system that we have been living in. And our response to that system, at least in my experience in some of what I've seen working with clients,

Kristen

so you're on the yoga mat, and you're like, inner workout comes to you, you decide I want to create a programme for women to be able to take care of themselves, or have self care at the forefront. And then where do you go from there, it has

Taylor

been such a winding journey. So my first thought was, I built this practice, that blended movement, breathwork, journaling, and meditation, and it was called the inner workout. And the whole idea was that you'd have this 45 to 60 minutes where you are practising, listening and responding, listening, responding through these different modalities. So that was the first iteration of inner workout as the company, and then COVID hit. And we had like, planned to do facilitator trainings, and a lot of what I was doing was in person. And it was this weird situation where people needed self care, it was one of the most searched terms of 2020. And also the way that I originally planned to help people practice self care didn't translate as well in the COVID world. So that's how we shifted to doing more workshops, I developed the take care assessment, which measures well being across five dimensions, and then gives you this personalised PDF based on your results. And I saw that having this different set of resources was the way to help people build self care. And then now that we're in this world where I can do things in person, but actually our community expanded more globally. So it still makes sense to stay doing mostly virtual things, mix of individual things that you can do, like you can get a digital workbook, or group things like a coaching programme.

Kristen

So tell me how breathwork because I love breathwork in terms of self care, because you started with like breathwork meditation, it sounds like you had these very practical and powerful ways to recenter yourself. How did breathwork get into the mix?

Taylor

Yeah, so at enter workout, everything that we do is built on these five dimensions of well being that are inspired by this yogic concept of the CO shots. So those five dimensions are physical, energetic, mental and emotional. That's one, wisdom and bliss. And there's sub dimensions underneath. And then the take care assessment like breaks that down more so does the book, but in the energetic dimension, our breath is part of how we regulate our energy. And depending on what you did growing up, maybe if you were a singer or a swimmer or played certain instruments, you learned how to use your breath, you learned how to like breathe in an optimal way. And everyone else tends to not breathe in optimal ways. We tend to be slouching. For us, women, sometimes we don't want to let our belly expand because we're worried about our belly taking up too much space. And I mean, there's so much good research about how the different ways that we can breathe, literally change our experience in our body and our experience of our situation. So breathwork still is one of the things that I will recommend with clients. I love how before we started, we did deep breaths. That's how I start coaching sessions too. And when I'm working with organisations, I'm often trying to teach them like these quick little breath things that we can do. One of my favourites personally is just taking longer exhales it's so easy to do, and you don't have sippy I think we picture sometimes the really extreme breathwork where people are really getting their body into it, but I do extend it exhales in a meeting.

Kristen

Yes, I love that because it's like you can do it anytime, anywhere. It's not like you have to do this. I've got to sit down on my yoga mat. That is also a very helpful and you can do it in your day to day life when you're in a meeting or on a zoom call or with your kids or with a friend or whenever you feel that and do recommend doing it. When you say practice, what does that look like for people that don't do breath work.

Taylor

So I love how you mentioned, you can be on your yoga mat. And you could do it when you're out and about, one of the things that we talked about it in our workout is this idea of proactive and responsive self care. So proactive self care, those things that you put on your calendar, you plan ahead of time, because they know that they lead you to a certain end state. So it could look like having a morning routine that works well for you. Or it could be you know, that you're really nervous when you public speak. And so you might have something that you do beforehand, proactively to support you. And you might have something that you do afterward every time to help you decompress. So that's proactive self care, responsive self care, are those things that you do in the moment where you're like, I'm feeling dysregulated, my kid said something that was rude, but they didn't fully realise the ramifications of it, or my boss sent me an email. And now I'm stressed, they put a meeting on my calendar, I didn't expect and now my mind is spinning about what they want to talk about. Responsive self care is what we do to ground ourselves back into the present. So when it comes to breath work, we could do it proactively, where we know like, Okay, before I have this presentation, meaning I'm going to spend five minutes deep breathing, or every night before I go to bed, I do a couple of minutes of that. But you could also do it responsibly, where in the moment, you feel that you're getting nervous, or you feel you really want to like say some choice words to your boss, and you choose to respond by doing a little breath work, and then deciding how you want to engage with that situation.

Kristen

I love that you're saying proactive? And then kind of it's more like a grounding in the moment. Yeah, how do I get re centred in the moment? Or and then the preparation if I need, if I'm nervous about something, or you have stress coming up? How can you before that happens, have a practice for yourself to kind of get sent to yourself? So you're more regulated? I love that when you were talking about self expertise, and self care. Talk to me about that concept? How did you develop it? How do people become more of an expert for themselves within themselves?

Taylor

Yeah, and I know you mentioned at the beginning that this is something that's important for you to and I find that for the best practitioners, they do value the fact that it's not about you or me it is about the person and helping them know that they are the expert of their own experience. Unfortunately, what can happen a lot in the like self care, wellbeing, personal development space, is you have people who don't have your best interest in mind, who are more concerned about saying, Well, this works for me. So this should work for everyone. And if you just follow my five step formula, if you just copy paste exactly what I do, then you should get the same results. And that can be unhelpful when maybe that person is single, and you've got three kids, or maybe that person lives in a completely different part of the country. So what is easily accessible to them, like going hiking every weekend isn't accessible to you half of the year, because it's really cold and snowy. So when I think about self care, and again, going back to that definition of listening within and responding in the most loving way possible, listening within listening to you, not just adding, yes. So when you're practising self care the way that I talk about it, then inherently you're building yourself expertise, because you're getting to know yourself. And that isn't to say, like you're listening to this podcast. And it is good that you are choosing to listen to this podcast and do other things for yourself. But when other people's voices start to kind of over, I don't know, the volume is louder than your inner voice, that's when we have a problem. And it starts to move from being helpful to less helpful and sometimes even harmful. Yes, and

Kristen

I think there can be some dependency on an outside guide guide, if you will, that can take you off course, rather than knowing that you are equipped with the navigational tools inside of you. So I feel like what I do as a therapist is ID layer all of these conditions that haven't been helpful, the beliefs that really has kept people stuck, to get to that voice that never got heard, that didn't have space to share and express. And then once we get to that, then oh, that is trying to give me information that's helpful and making a decision or trusting your gut trusting your vibes. We're not really taught to do that. And so many ways, where we are. We're say trust your gut. And then we're like, Well, I don't know. Are you sure that was somebody? I'll put that seed of doubt. And then you're like, well, now I don't know. I thought I knew but now I don't. So how do you help people tap into and trust their intuition and their knowingness is what I call it. How do we get there?

Taylor

It's a journey as all of the good stuff that we do in life, when I was gonna say, I wish we could snap our fingers, I really don't. Because I think the process is the prize, like I think being in the process and in the work is what gives us all of the benefits when we finally arrive at the destination. And if we've just arrived at the destination, we'd be missing the critical learnings of being in the process. So the starting point I recommend for people is to find a little pocket of time where you can hear from yourself. And hearing from yourself looks different for everyone, I have a client to literally will hear from herself because she likes to record voice notes. And she'll process it out loud. So that's one element of processing, and then she'll listen to it back. And that's another element of processing. And that works really well for her. Some people like to sit in silence, some people like to journal, you often hear how people will get brilliant insights, right before bed or in the shower. So it's finding that time for you. That's one part of it, just starting to realise there is wisdom within me, if I give it space, and I'm not always crowding it out by music, or a podcast, or by having TV in the background, there is wisdom within me. And then the second piece of it is starting to act on it. And that really takes time, it can be little things like you're at your favourite restaurant, and you almost always get the same dish. But you feel that little boy saying, Ooh, try this, and you decide to try it, or you're walking. And this happened the other day, I was hiking over the weekend. And I was like, Okay, there's a fork in the road, literal fork in the road, which way am I gonna go. And just checking in which one feels right now I'm going to get to the same destination. But I chose to go down the right path. And that was me building trust with my inner wisdom. So those little moments of doing it throughout the day, make it a lot easier when you're making big decisions, like a cross country move or changing a job. You've developed that trust already. But it's hard to build trust with someone that you're not in a relationship with. You've got to be in a relationship with yourself.

Kristen

What do you say for people that don't like themselves? And they're like, I don't even like that voice in my head. I don't even like that part of me. I don't trust that voice. How do you help people start loving that part like themselves? I guess in that voice in their head?

Taylor

What came to mind when you asked that question is a concept of body neutrality, that I think that you could put in a lot of things because, again, self help personal development spaces, we talk about loving yourself and having affirmations. And it feels like if I'm doing the work, quote, unquote, right, that I'm supposed to be head over heels in love with myself all the time. And I don't know about you, I saw that you have a ring. I've been with my husband for 12 years now. And I love him so much. But I don't always feel like I love him. And the bar that I was setting for my relationship was that I had to feel head over heels in love with him every day, then I'd be failing a decent amount of the time. Want us to extrapolate that to ourselves? It is okay, if you're not feeling head over heels in love with yourself every day. But maybe we could work towards getting to a point of neutrality. Instead of active dislike and disdain for yourself. Let's get to a place where it's a neutral, where it's like, Oh, hey, that's my inner voice. Okay, I hear you. It doesn't have to mean anything. I don't have to talk about how annoying you are or how amazing you are. Let's just try and get to neutrality first.

Kristen

I love that. That's so true. Because you're not going to love yourself all the time. It's a bunch of hooey Pui. I mean, that's just not reality, because you're gonna have things come up that you don't like, and that's okay. That's totally okay. What do you say to people that have so much self doubt? Like, for example, when someone's making a decision, like you're talking about the fork in the road, you didn't think there's a right and wrong way to go? You just thought? Where does my heart pull me? I don't know exactly what you asked yourself, but you kind of knew you're at a fork in the road. How do people get out of this? There's a good and bad and right and wrong answer, which creates that self doubt. How do you help people work through that self doubt?

Taylor

I resonate with this so much. I'm like, Are you just asking me the question I need to ask for myself right now. Something I've been noticing in myself a lot. In this is very human thing. We like binary choice. We like either or thinking. And so we want to say this is right or wrong. This is good or bad. I'm good or bad. That person is good or bad. When in reality, there's so much nuance and it is very, very, very rare. That Something is completely good or completely bad. So for me, the starting point has just been recognising. This is binary thinking right now, what could another option be? So that's work that I do with myself. But I'll also do with clients too. Let's think of 123 10. Other possibilities, that could be true, whenever I'm getting caught in the binary thinking. And I don't want to rush over like, because I kind of got into an exercise after that. But I want to acknowledge that even just the act of you noticing you're in binary thinking is already putting you in more of an observer role, rather than being so caught in it. So all you could do, you can't even get to choosing the other options. But you can just notice, oh, I'm in binary thinking, again, that is progress. And that's where celebrating, and then when you're ready, you can start to play with other options, and you realise most of the things that we are freaking out about, we're going to be okay, if we go left or right, even if you make a job move that ends up not being the right fit, you will be okay. I love

Kristen

this conversation. Because the truth is, you will be mean it may not feel okay. Right in the moment. But eventually, it's like when you have a breakup, and you're like, Oh, I see now, that was kind of for me, and I can see how I've grown through it. But in the middle of it, it's hard to see it, it's hard to see that it's going to be okay, when we're in the middle of it. So how do people kind of know, how do you help people get to it will be okay. Because I think that's what they're afraid of? They're afraid they won't be okay. Or it won't be okay. They won't, it won't be okay.

Taylor

That's hard. The first thing that comes to mind is just like empathy, and acknowledging. I mean, even like you said, it may not feel okay. But that doesn't mean that won't be okay, ultimately. So being able to sit and just acknowledge however you're feeling, and you almost did it second nature, because I would assume you're a pretty self aware person. But for other people, that might be a lot to notice. Oh, the fear that I'm feeling right now, is I'm feeling like, I'm not going to be okay. I'm feeling like this is never going to be okay. And maybe asking yourself, what is my biggest fear here? What is the worst case scenario here? And just sitting with that acknowledgement of, okay, that's where I think it's going. And then you can start to get a little bit more rational like, Okay, how likely is that, that it's going to happen? I was just doing this with my therapist yesterday, where I was acknowledging, yeah, I'm feeling afraid of this thing, I can notice how the fear shows up in my body. And also, once I felt that emotion, and I look at it, logistically, I know that there's a 1% chance of that actually happening. So I'm going to act like there's a 1% chance of that happening, rather than letting the fear rule the show. And the other thing that's coming to mind is, I've been obsessed with this book called The extended mind, that's all about how we tend to live in our heads. And our wisdom is so as humans are so holistic, and there's a lot of wisdom and being in the body. So another thing I've noticed is like, Ooh, I'm getting really in my head right now about this. What would happen if I tapped into my body? What would happen if I got nature? What would happen if I was connecting to other pieces instead of letting my brain run the show?

Kristen

I love this, I'm gonna have to check this book out the extended mind aside?

Taylor

I think it's by Annie Murphy. Paul, I think so that's such a specific name, that it would be funny if I made that up. That's amazing. But

Kristen

if you're like it is, that's awesome. I do think we've been so conditioned in school to be in our head heavy. That's what we're like the testing. And all of this information we're supposed to regurgitate a school really reinforces being in your head. So no wonder we get in loops. I call it looping. When you're just like, I'm looping on the same thing. How do you help people get out of a loop? A looping thought, a looping fear, a looping self doubt, whatever? How do you help people through that getting out of their minds and into their bodies.

Taylor

So sometimes I literally will just get in my body personally. And I made a rule for myself that when I start to notice that happening, I'm either going to get active, or I'm going to make art. So those have been the things that I started doing where I'm like, I'm gonna dance around, I'm gonna stretch for a little bit, or I'm gonna doodle or do something artistic. And both of those are ways for me to access a different part of my brain. And the goal isn't to ignore what's happening. The goal is just to realise like, Okay, I've spent enough time here. Let me do something else. So if anyone else wants to make that rule, and you're like, yeah, when I noticed this happening, I'm gonna get active or make art and this isn't saying like, you need to do a 60 minute yoga class it can be, I'm going to stretch for two minutes, I'm going to do it a little flower for two minutes. So that's worked well, for me. I think also, in, one of the things that I was taught in my coach training that comes from Acceptance and Commitment Therapy that I really like, is just saying, I'm having the thought that XYZ and again, gets you back into that observer brain. So instead of me being the thought, and being so close to the thought, I'm having the thought, and then you say, I noticed that I'm having the thought. And all of a sudden, you're like, instead of being in this thought that I am a bad person, or whatever. And you're just like, so enmeshed with the thought, you can get a little bit of distance and a little bit of difference, and just a little bit more distance. And with distance comes perspective, I heard someone describe it once is like being a movie theatre, and being so close up to the screen. And if you're watching, like I don't know, a Marvel movie or something, and you're so close up to the screen, you're barely seeing anything, versus when you get back and you're like, oh, there's a whole movie here. And that's what I think that exercise can help you start to do.

Kristen

Yeah, I like the distancing gives you that perspective. How did you come up with the definition of self care? Like, how did that come through to you?

Taylor

So lovely question, I feel like it was an over time situation where I went through my whole journey, I come to this work, because I'm bad at self care. And so as I started practising self care and trying to make myself feel cared for on a daily basis, I realised that what I was doing was listening and responding. And it was showing up in many different ways. But the core of what I was doing was checking in, what do I need, hearing myself speak, and then finding ways to give that to myself, even if it was only in a small way. So I think the first iteration of the definition was listening to your body and respond in the most loving way possible. But then as I got exposed to the coaches and started building out the five dimensions of well being I realised it was so much more than just listening to my physical body, I was listening to my whole self in this really integrated way.

Kristen

That's so beautiful. One of the things I liked that you're saying is what you said, What do I need. And what I see in all of us, including myself is there's unmet needs, from childhood or from wherever we didn't get a need met, we didn't get heard, we didn't get seen, we didn't get understood. We didn't get acknowledged for what we feel we didn't have space, maybe some of us to have a voice. And we have this unmet need. And I almost feel like self care for what you just said, is asking yourself, what do I need? And now I'm going to honour that need and provide that need to myself? Would that be another way to capture it?

Taylor

Absolutely. And it's funny, because it is all about needs and wants and desires and honouring that. And I feel sometimes, and this could be my own projection that if I were to lead with listening to your needs, that could even turn some people off? Because it's like, Am I allowed to have needs? What do I need? Like, I haven't been doing work personally, on starting to really understand what is it that I want, because for so long, for a lot of reasons that do go back to childhood, I trained myself not to want things or to minimise what I want.

Kristen

That's such a good point. Because there's a point where you might honour the leading you get or the inside of you. So let me give you an example. So I started this podcast and I love vulnerability. So that's what this podcast is. I do vulnerability so I can model what that looks like to share authentically. And I remember my mother saying you are everywhere. My worst fear was people are gonna think it's my ego, and people are gonna think it's all about me where I just want to be of service like that's my heart. That's my soul. And I could feel like, Oh, am I selfish? Am I about self doubt creeping in. So I want to acknowledge like, some people might be Oh, my needs are too much or I'm too much or that's not okay. People are gonna think you're selfish are people gonna think it's all about you. And that can take someone out of listening to the voice doing what and thank goodness I would do my own work and I recognised it and the moment I recognise my body, or recognise my shame, I could recognise that feeling inside that wanted to take me out of listening to the leading I was getting, do you see that happen with people I see it a lot people will say something to them. And that takes shuts them down almost as a way to self contact.

Taylor

Absolutely. I see this happen regularly. Where I can be talking with a client may have worked with them for a while. We've got some things that we know are true in terms of what they value and then or they have a conversation with a partner or a family member. And it could be an offhand comment. And all of a sudden, it's the image that comes to mind is like the foundation shakes. And it's like, well, I have to change everything, because now they think this about me, or this is true. In we've got to bring them back to themselves like, okay, let's acknowledge how that made you feel? And is the fact that this interaction made you feel this way? Do you want it to mean now that you change all of your values and all of what you've been working towards? And what we often find is that, no, they still value what they value. But without doing that work, it's so easy to just change and say, like, you could have said, Okay, podcast is over, I'm not doing this anymore. But you have the toolset and the skill set to acknowledge what was happening, and then say, I know where I'm coming from, I'm going to continue to do this work in a way that feels in integrity. And when people don't have that self awareness or that support, that's how they end up basically living other people's definition of success.

Kristen

Isn't it true, because I want people to think XYZ of me, I want them to like me, I want them to think I'm this whatever person, whatever we want people to think about us because we're so worried about what people think about us, and that we can totally abandon ourselves in the process. And now we've given up our hopes, our dreams, our needs, our wants. Because we don't want anybody to be upset with us. We don't want anybody to think ill of us. We don't want anybody to think differently of us. People pleasing and fawning as a survival state. Like I'll fawn right to protect myself from blame, shame, rejection judgement, some of our worst fears are to be rejected, or abandoned. And maybe we have had an experience of being abandoned or rejected, is deep self care can be such a deep rumble when we really unpack it. So I agree. It's a journey. It's a journey of self discovery. It's a journey of delayering. That's why I love coaching and therapy and programmes because it takes you on the quest to be able to connect to that inner knowing part. And then I'm like, Well, I've worked myself out of a job. Yay. Because that's the beauty of what we do we lead people back to themselves.

Taylor

Yes. And I love that vision that you just gave about. Like, it's the quest, there's something so beautiful and poetic of realising Yeah, you're on this, like adventurous quest. And sometimes it doesn't always feel the most fun. But yeah, that gave me a whole image in my mind.

Kristen

Is there anything we didn't talk about in terms of self care, self expertise that you wanted to mention?

Taylor

No, I feel like we covered a lot of ground. What I would just offer to people who are listening is take that time to check in with yourself, and continue to use your language to honour those needs, even in the smallest ways. The other thing that I see people do is kind of discounting like, oh, this doesn't really matter. It's just choosing what to eat for lunch. This doesn't really matter. It's just two minutes of breathing, that matters. And that's where celebrating, so any little thing that you're doing for yourself, celebrate that take that opportunity to care for yourself. Yeah, it

Kristen

just made me think when you were like what you choose for lunch. Some people like we're Where do you want to eat? And you're like, I don't care wherever you want to go. I'll give that as like a first trial run. And like, Let's offer three options that you want. And like, Ooh, that's a scary, I mean, just even that, just even say what you want is scary for people. Because we didn't get that as a kid. A lot of us some did, but a lot of folks didn't. And just you saying that I'm thinking yeah, start with something. I start with a step of awareness. And that is such a gift in and of itself. To your point, that awareness of honouring that part of you that says, Yeah, I am so used to going along with because I didn't want to rock the boat of whatever you want to eat. And then you're like, how about Mexican? And you're like, oh, I don't want that or whatever. Start with saying something honest about what you want. How do you feel about that, like as a first step,

Taylor

it's one of those things that again, seems so simple, but could just have an amazing ripple effect when you really lean into it.

Kristen

Yes, I've loved our conversation. I am so excited about it. I can't wait for it to air. So where can people find you Taylor?

Taylor

Yeah, the best place to go is to inner workouts website and our workout that CO not.com And you can click to take the free take care assessment there. There's also a button right there to get the book and we have a free weekly newsletter called self care Sundays. We're kind of on Instagram at inner workout and I'm at Taylor Elise Morrison, but I kind of only go on there when I feel like it. So those are the consistent places to find us.

Kristen

Yes, I love you. That's you honouring that's you doing self care. Just even you say like I only get on it when you feel I get Yes. Okay. Just wanna acknowledge that I got really excited. And then I love your self care Sundays. That's great. So thank you so much Taylor for your heart and your service and I'm so grateful you're on the podcast today.

Taylor

Thank you for having me.

Kristen

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